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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1974
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Posted - 2016.09.01 01:42:54 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:so with the ability to get to 5m sp, skill injector prices are going to crash as people can create a farm of 100 skillgoop bastards for free then only subscribe them to train + extract once its profitable
also, t1 production could not be more dead when you can scale t1 production jobs infinitely for free
Extraction farming seems doubtful unless PLEX crashes as well. If it doesn't then maintaining skillgoop accounts won't be a sustainable prospect without other isk income or incurring a real money cost.
And if people try that pushes PLEX prices up further away from making it workable. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1974
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Posted - 2016.09.01 23:20:02 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Malcanis wrote:
No, they're what subscribers have always had. Regardless of the word "free" being used to describe what is factually an unlimited duration free trial, trial account restrictions don't make T2 ammo "pay to win" any more than they previously made being able to train cruiser skillbooks "pay to win".
If CCP had originally launched the game as a free to play model and then later introduced T2 ammo (etc) as a RMT only feature, you'd have a point. That kind of sleazy bait-and-switch is exactly what gives F2P games their bad rep. But what CCP are actually doing is in effect significantly increasing the scope of the free trial offer to their game.
No trial account players are worse off as a result of this change.
No subscribing players are better off as a result of this change.
You cannot therefore call it "pay to win". If you want to make an argument that people are going to call it "pay to win", then have at it, but please don't be part of the problem.
See, I would agree with you if we want to view things from the perspective of an already paying customer. But I'm not. I'm looking at things as a new customer. And from that perspective, those ammos absolutely are pay to win. What I'm getting at is that the alpha clone isn't sufficient to bring people into the game. It needs more. -Liang
Looking at things as a new customer should first and foremost make it clear that paying a sub unlocks the full game. That's different from winning. It's made very clear that as an Alpha clone you aren't getting everything there is same as the trial. Functionally a reasonable person should know what it is and designing for the unreasonable is a losing proposition. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1975
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Posted - 2016.09.02 02:10:05 -
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One thing I'll note regarding Reddit in particular is that there seems to be more information specifically sought from other sources and shared there. And this in done mostly by non-CCP posters. Tweets, info gathered from presentations (eve vegas/fanfest/etc) seems to be captured, broken down and disseminated far father there than here if it hits here at all (and ironically when it does it's often a complaint about CCP posting it on reddit when it's actually a player who managed a screen grab).
This is of course an anecdotal observation, but given the idea that one needs to be in some way invested to post here, sometime the ones over there act as if things are the reverse.
Also they automate capture of dev blogs so the official forums doesn't even have that advantage. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
2005
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Posted - 2016.10.13 22:43:51 -
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Annir Janau wrote:Annir Janau wrote:"Note that you can still only train one character at a time, per account"
Objection! All this accomplishes is making me create a different account to train an alpha, causing nothing but more hassle and data on a server. Why? I'm not losing out on free alt skill training.
In fact, this will create more multiboxing / simul log ins. Since it's there, people will be tempted to use it.
All clones without subscription / training cert should should be allowed to train A skills.
This is the only fair and sensible setup. I obviously need to clarify or require clarification. or maybe just claret. It is legal to create another account; it is legal to train an alpha on this account, no? = free alt training to alpha. Why must this be on separate accounts? I am not trying to sign in multiple chars. Perhaps 'multiboxing' was incorrectly used or limitedly interpreted, but, as others have noted, this could potentially lead to more cheating of the multi-login rule through simple methods. Pushing ppl to have another account is one step closer still. There is no such thing as an Alpha character on an Omega account, thus no limitation of skills or item use and apparently faster training on any characters that can train. Even if training was limited this would extend additional Alpha account privileges to characters without other Alpha limits. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
2005
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Posted - 2016.10.14 00:11:34 -
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Annir Janau wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Annir Janau wrote:Annir Janau wrote:"Note that you can still only train one character at a time, per account"
Objection! All this accomplishes is making me create a different account to train an alpha, causing nothing but more hassle and data on a server. Why? I'm not losing out on free alt skill training.
In fact, this will create more multiboxing / simul log ins. Since it's there, people will be tempted to use it.
All clones without subscription / training cert should should be allowed to train A skills.
This is the only fair and sensible setup. I obviously need to clarify or require clarification. or maybe just claret. It is legal to create another account; it is legal to train an alpha on this account, no? = free alt training to alpha. Why must this be on separate accounts? I am not trying to sign in multiple chars. Perhaps 'multiboxing' was incorrectly used or limitedly interpreted, but, as others have noted, this could potentially lead to more cheating of the multi-login rule through simple methods. Pushing ppl to have another account is one step closer still. There is no such thing as an Alpha character on an Omega account, thus no limitation of skills or item use and apparently faster training on any characters that can train. Even if training was limited this would extend additional Alpha account privileges to characters without other Alpha limits. As usual, its hard to tell if I'm ignorant or people are illiterate. You are saying if I create another account it will also be Omega, filled with non-trainable characters? I'm saying the Omega account slots you want to train alpha skills on for free are Omegas, not Alphas, and aren't limited to the things Alphas can do. They don't need other privileges.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
2005
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Posted - 2016.10.20 18:34:25 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Welisa Aldent wrote:Pls CCP High sec in eve dosent need more gankers pls do so they Always need to fly in green safty mode..becouse ganking gona get out of hand, even more then it have now.
And btw what do we get? we the subs..so far its only the freeloaders that benefit from this..
I still get to pay and dosent get anything extra,sounds like a cheezy deal for us subs Try not paying and see what you get. No, we probably don't need more gankers, but the problem is there is not much else in the way of HS PvP that involves shooting people. I wonder if putting some effort into the lack lustre wardec system we have might not be the answer to highsec pvp opportunities. It is about time something was done to better encourage highsec wars. Functionally wardecs work fine. The only issue with them is the lack of reason to defend other than wanting the fight itself. No instance of wardec mechanics has ever addressed that.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
2005
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Posted - 2016.10.20 18:40:00 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Agondray wrote:I read the blog and its depressing....also I see lots of people now having ganker alts In which case CCP would lock safeties to green, at least in HS. I genuinely wonder if that's going to be an issue now. No (EULA abiding) multiboxing. No T2 weapons or mods. No Talos usage for big targets. Catalyst are still a potent tool even capped by mod/skill restrictions, but they can't be spammed by single players so it's likely not going to be an issue.
Unless there's something/someone routing alphas from genuine new players to organized ganking in large numbers. I'm not sure that's a likely outcome though.
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